Context: We report herein a remarkable family in which the mother of a woman with 46,XY complete gonadal dysgenesis was found to have a 46,XY karyotype in peripheral lymphocytes, mosaicism in cultured skin fibroblasts (80% 46,XY and 20% 45,X) and a predominantly 46,XY karyotype in the ovary (93% 46,XY and 6% 45,X).
Patients: A 46,XY mother who developed as a normal woman underwent spontaneous puberty, reached menarche, menstruated regularly, experienced two unassisted pregnancies, and gave birth to a 46,XY daughter with complete gonadal dysgenesis.
See: stuff like the above is (part of) why I distrust Right-wing worship of “traditional” gender-roles, TERFS (Trans-exclusionary, “radical” feminists), and Trans-activists who invoke notions of a “gendered” brain to “explain” transexuality.
Most likely, the whole issue is too mind-numbingly complex for everyone to be easily shoe-horned into a “role” based merely on a cursory examination of an infant’s genitals right after birth.
Having said that: the (mistaken) tendency toward oversimplification is actually pretty common: (for example, many tribal populations are extremely sex-segregated).
The thing about this is: WE should know better. Some of these same tribal populations can’t count past three:
No, I’m not trying to “demonize” primitive/isolated/stagnant populations. If anything, the fact that there are still population-groups essentially unchanged since the Stone Age strikes me as tragic.
(Of course, I also find the rampant illiteracy, poverty and general lack of opportunity in the “Third World”/much of Appalachia here in the U.S. to be equally tragic.)
I also find the systematic subjugation of women and girls (FGM, enforced illiteracy etc.) in much of the “Muslim” world, to be tragic.
Some years back, I used to correspond with a guy who tended to basically fetishize “traditional” (IE: tribal/preindustrial, non-scientific, pre-litereate) cultures.
Of course, this same guy also claimed to be both an “Animist” and an “agnostic”.
Bottom line of why I gave up communicating with the guy: he defended female genital mutilation being FORCED on young girls, MERELY on the grounds that it was a “traditional” practice.
When I retorted that it was also a “traditional” practice to allow “unwanted” blind/disabled/female infants to DIE OF EXPOSURE among many of the populations he fetishizes……crickets.
Bottom line: the Leftist obsession with the “traditions” of Non-Western cultures is every bit as abysmally vicious and stupid as the Right-wing obsession with their own version of “tradition.”
Thankfully, at least some Right-wingers are changing:
Conservatives tend to value order quite highly. Everything is in its right place. The thing that can make a conservative uneasy is that allowing for someone to decide that they aren’t male when they have a penis will open the door to complete chaos. That fear isn’t totally unfounded; some progressives have made gender so malleable that it becomes pointless (think Facebook and it’s long list of genders).
A conservative can still believe in order and allow for some bending of the categories. It has to; because the Laverne Coxes of the world are here.
It’s not unheard of to have more than two genders. A number of indeginous peoples have made room for one or two more genders. It can be hard to wrap one’s mind around this, because like many conservatives, it’s easy for me to equate gender with anatomy. For the most part that is the case with humans; but sometimes they aren’t in sync. It’s basically a mutation of the species; which is basically how I see homosexuality.
In his essay, Williamson believed Ms. Cox to be “delusional.” I don’t think she is delusional, but again I can see how Williamson could see this. But then, it wasn’t that long ago that gay people were considered delusional.
Which is why I think conservatives will come around, just like they are when it comes to homosexuality. It will happen when they encounter people who are transgender. It’s one thing to tear apart a symbol, it’s quite different when your argument is flesh and blood.
Having had the opportunity to meet transgendered women and men have helped me become more accepting of them. They all come from different walks of life and mostly do the same things I do: trying to make it day by day.
So I ask conservatives to start to learn about being transgender. And don’t worry if you don’t understand all of it- what matters more is to care for these people- even if it doesn’t make any damn sense. Because what does make sense is for us all to care for each other
The thing is: I really don’t think creating another series of acceptable (trans)gender “roles” into which everyone will end up being “shoe-horned”, is the answer, either.
In the previous post, I alluded to the fact that Judaism has a significantly more fine-grained approach to “gender”, recognizing (in addition to the standard “male” and “female”) four other categories.
(This makes sense, because Judaism — what with the 613 mitzvot — tends to be fairly prescriptive/proscriptive. Thus, they would have had to come to grips with the fact that there really are individuals who — for a myriad of reasons — don’t fit neatly into the (stereo)typical ” sex/gender categories.
I have no idea what the long-range prognosis is for the whole “Transgender” issue: I do know Right-wingers (and the “social justice”-warrior type of so-called “progressives”) will keep relentlessly “milking” it for at least another few years.