Just don’t engage:

Fundies have a very specific shtick.  The thing is: they only way it can actually ‘work”, is if you’re unfamiliar with it:

Now, their usual “opener” is some (superficially) innocuous — but “loaded” — question, such as:

“Do you want to talk about Jesus?”

Now, here’s the thing:

At this point, you are ALREADY trapped.  DO NOT engage.  If you DO engage, they are TRAINED to manipulate/trick you.

The first level of their manipulation involves the way the question itself is structured:

If you say “yes”, they will INEVITABLY go into whichever shitty, ill-informed “Sales-pitch” their specific “Clergy” has trained them to use.

For example: if you happen to be a “Christian” deriving from somewhere outside their specific subset of the 38,000+ “Denominations” — or even just from a slightly different Fundie hellhole — from their perspective, you only “think” that you’re a Christian.

THEY are the ones who get to decide whether you actually “know Christ”, or not.

See, unless you happen to already have been “saved” by THEIR specific variant of Christianity, they are TRAINED to be unable to acknowledge any of what you “believe”.  From their perspective, you’re just another “totally depraved” shit-monkey.  You’re “spiritually dead”.  You’ve had your “ears tickled” by “unsound doctrine”.   You’re involved with a “Satanic Counterfeit”, etc.

So, basically — even already having succumbed to a different variant of the “Christian” sales-pitch won’t stop them from attempting to “Save” you, again.

If you say “no”  – or have the temerity to  suggest — no matter how gently — that something other than their specific variant of God-bothering could conceivably have some sort of value — , their specific version of what George Orwell described as “Crimestop” kicks in:

As Orwell described it:

The mind should develop a blind spot whenever a dangerous thought presented itself…Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.


The above explains how individuals who at least superficially appear to be sane, rational, and articulate enough to carry on a conversation/navigate their way through life with a modicum of “daily living” skills, etc. — can nevertheless “sincerely believe” idiotic bullshit like THIS:

Various early church writers, such as Irenaeus (Bishop of Lyons; circa 120 CE to ?) Justin Martyr (Christian apologist; 100 to 165), Tertullian (Christian theologian; circa 160 to 220 +) concluded that the Pagan/Christian similarities were a Satanic attempt at “diabolical mimicry.” Satan was said to have use “plagiarism by anticipation.” That is, the Devil made a pre-emptive strike against the gospel stories centuries before Jesus was born. The reason was to confuse the public into thinking that Jesus was merely a copy of previous god-men. The goal was to demolish the credibility of Christianity in the people’s eyes.


The godly base their confidence on two truths: 1) “all Scripture is given by inspiration of God” (2 Timothy 3:16); and 2) an elementary rule of Scripture is that God has deliberately included seeming contradictions in His Word to “snare” the proud. He has “hidden” things from the “wise and prudent” and “revealed them to babes” (Luke 10:21), purposely choosing foolish things to confound the wise (1 Corinthians 1:27).


Quite frankly, if someone attempts to “talk about Jesus”: refuse: firmly and UNEQUIVOCALLY.    They are NOT attempting to begin a “dialog”, or “innocent conversation” or anything of that kind.

Moreover (ESPECIALLY if they are “White”): ask yourself how THEY would react if some darker-complected person wearing a turban knocked on their door, to ask them if they wanted to ‘talk about Allah.”

Just ask yourself that.

THEN, tell them “no” — firmly, unequivocably, unhesitatingly.  Further, if they continue badgering you, tell them — with equal firmness — that you are more than willing to get the police involved, if neccesary.

DO NOT otherwise engage.

If they shove a “tract” on you: crumple it up, and drop it at their feet — IN FULL VIEW of them.

If possible, grin mischievously while doing so.

Above all, do NOT attempt to treat them with even the minimal respect you would normally grant to (say) a random stranger out walking her dog: for all of their protestations to the contrary, they do NOT “respect” you – at all.

If it is a family member:

Simply remind them of Luke 14:26 (“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brothers, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple”) , and tell them in no uncertain terms that if they ever bring it up again (unless requested) you are more than willing to unconditionally discontinue any and all further contact with that individual.

At first, this might seem “harsh”, but consider the following:

There are exactly TWO things you can get from your “significant others”:


“inheriting” their possessions in the even of their death.

That’s it.  If any person — let alone someone purportedly “close to you” is incapable of respecting you enough to refrain from propagandizing: fuck ’em.  They value their “fruity little club” more than the relationship with YOU.

If they are incapable of accepting those term: any future “relationship” with them is impossible.  They will never grant you the respect you have requested, they WILL continue the badgering/emotional blackmail etc.

NO “relationship” is worth that.









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